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Cover up? Hijabs in Irish Schools

May 30, 2008 · 7 Comments

This has been a hot topic this week, among the chattering classes and the earnest pundits. News stories abound: Principal calls for guidelines on wearing of hijab in schools and Muslim Headscarf Row Hits Irish Schools to name but two. Joe Duffy has spoken, Morning Ireland has opinionated. And the debate has of course polarized.

If you object to the wearing of the hijab or  khimār  you are a racist. If you accept it you are a woman hater. The truth as ever lies somewhere in the middle.

I have little objection to Islamic women wearing the Hijab outside of working or school environments.

Personally I think it’s a pity; I think it is a symbol of repression of women and I resent its presence in a country that has famously had to fight for basic women’s rights perhaps harder than in any other developed European modern country. I see it as a step back.

Personally I despise the weakness of women who adopt it and who effectively opt out of the difficulties of life. Yes, a man might look at you. Yes, it’s easy to hide behind a scarf or a veil. Yes you’re less likely to have to face issues of sexuality and gender politics – but it’s hardly living is it?

And personally I am impatient of the hypocrisy that calls it “freedom” – if the Hijab makes you so free how come you can’t let other Islamic girls choose not to wear it? And as for the hypocrisy that says it is not part of the repression of women – it’s entire validity in Islam is based on a passage of the Koran Qur’an 24:31 and it’s primary function if to instruct women not to “inflame” men. It strikes against the fundamental principle of Irish and European laws governing sexual assault – that principle that makes men responsible for their own actions, and rejects the plea that a women “led him on” by provocative dress. A principle that women had to fight damn hard for.

And the argument that it’s cultural and therefore by default, must be accepted is belied by the Islamic world’s lack of reciprocal respect for Western Culture: -   the kingdom of Saudi Arabia for example, who insisted the grieving mother of Simon Cumbers wear a full burka type covering before allowing her (finally) to see her son’s body. Western female visitors to fundementalist Islamic countries are not offered the choice of wearing their own culturally acceptable clothes

But, having said all that, if some woman is silly enough to buy into the propaganda and make herself a scapegoat for men’s irresponsibility, then fine. On her own time, she is entitled to do as she pleases, it is actually a free country. I can’t have my own way about it.

But in work, and in school, I don’t believe that anyone should flout the rules. I have many Hindu friends who can’t send their kids to school in a sari. Mind you they don’t think they should. I have Jewish friends whose children somehow manage to get through school life with a skull cap. I have Atheist friends and Pagan friends whose children attend primarily Catholic schools without taking offence at either the dress code or the underlying ethos. Their attitude is, if their children wish to take advantage of the Irish school system, they conform to that system.
And therein lies the rub Ladies and Gentlemen – we can’t all have our own way. I haveto put up with grown women wearing the Hijab, despite my dislike of all it represents. I accept their right to do so. But in return the Islamic community has to  accept that they can’t always have their own way either. If they wish to attend a mainstream Irish school they have to bow to the primary culture. Just as if anyone wants to live in Ireland they have to bow to the host culture. Luckily for us all the host culture is a democracy – not a theocracy. Democracies let everyone have their own culture as much as possible. But there is a compromise that has to be made

 - our culture has to have the same consideration as everyone else’s. Bummer, eh? 

Disclaimer: I equally dislike allreligions’ strictures against women from the Catholic Church to the Budhist :) I am an equal opportunity refuter of inequality!

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7 responses so far ↓

  • Nick // May 31, 2008 at 11:24 am | Reply

    I thoroughly agree newcomers should as far as possible accept the host culture – unless of course that means something repressive and dehumanising. In particular they should learn the local language as soon as possible, if only because it increases opportunities in so many ways. But as you say, Islamic culture expects us to accept their customs but often doesn’t reciprocate with our customs, especially our concepts of democracy. I agree women should be able to cover up if they wish, but I also agree it seems to cramp personal freedom and remove men’s responsibility for their own behaviour.

  • steve white // June 3, 2008 at 1:52 am | Reply

    it was all going so well until ruari quinn said that we a christian and secular country and the muslim will have to get use to that, of course the fact you can’t be both a christian and secular evades him…

  • bodhranbanger // June 3, 2008 at 8:07 am | Reply

    well said Nick.
    every woman has the right to choose to cover up, and as I said above, the fact that I personally don’t like it, isn’t important. But equally, the fact that someone wants to wear it in school isn’t important. We can’t all have our own way :) We all have to bow to what’s best for society, all round.

  • bodhranbanger // June 3, 2008 at 8:14 am | Reply

    Steve, I totally agree with you – and tbh i think we shouldn’t view ourselves as a “christian” country – we should be a secular society that treats all religions equally. Being Catholic or Christian shouldn’t confer more rights on you than being Islamic or Hindi, or Pagan or Jewish or Atheist.
    Equally though, I believe schools have a duty to impose rules fairly and impartially. Workplaces also. And being from a minority religion or group doesn’t by default make every concession necessary either :)

    Thank you for commenting :)

  • geraldine // June 3, 2008 at 8:21 am | Reply

    Hi, this is a very interesting blog and one with which I have to agree 100%.
    Firstly it is a dreadful pity that the whole issue can’t be discussed withotu the twin spectres of racism or bigotry rearing their heads and well done for avoiding either trap !
    Personally the Hijab doesn’t bother me, although in principle I would have to agree that it does symbolise a repressive and unequal attitude to women – I think though I would have said that it was not maybe necessary to make an issue of it, it is a small thing etc
    Howeer recently I had the privilege to speak with several women whose lives were put at risk in their home countries because of repressive laws including that governing the wearing of the Hijab and other clothing.
    I have to take on board thie own comments, mainly that it starts with somethign small and ends up with a woman’s life being in danger for showing her hair or an ankle. These women hail from Suadi Arabia, Nigeria and Afghanistan. They are wonderful women whose work here in Ireland has helped countless others (both Irish and Foreign National)
    I would feel it now encumbent upon me to speak out on issues that could lead to any reinforcement of the oppression they suffered.

    Sorry this comment is soooooo long!

  • bodhranbanger // June 3, 2008 at 8:27 am | Reply

    hey Ger, and thanks for commenting, long comments always welcome :)
    I know that to peopel for whom the Hijab is part of cultural life they feel that its not a big deal, or that we are irrationally prejudiced against it – I only wish they too could talk to and understand the hell some women have been through as a result of these repressive rules taken to extreme. Maybe they could understand better why a society that has fought for the rights of women and only so recently gained them (don’t forget folks we were a theocracy ourselves til recently!!) does nto welcome a slide back into segregation and prejudice :(
    I hope thought hat the debate continues, and continues out there in real life where it can do some good, maybe we can reach a middle ground :)
    Ireland benfits so much from new cultures and new peoples, we need to work hard to maintain it!

  • When is a controversy.. « Banging on about stuff // January 23, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Reply

    [...] I make no secret of the fact that I find their attitude irritating; they have no grounds to complain, their child is allowed to wear it, they simply want to impose their own agenda on others. I also make no secret of the fact that I reject the apologist’s explanation for the wearing of the Hijab; I’ve said it all before so I won’t repeat myself. [...]

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